Mar 16, 2026

What's Marco Rubio's role as secretary of state and Trump's national security advisor?

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What's Marco Rubio's role as secretary of state and Trump's national security advisor?

Scott Simon

What's Marco Rubio's role as secretary of state and Trump's national security advisor?

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New Yorker staff writer Dexter Filkins tells NPR's Scott Simon about Marco Rubio's role as Secretary of State and National Security Advisor to a president shaking the world order.

SCOTT SIMON, HOST:

President Trump's Cabinet features more than a couple former rivals for the presidency, but just one from his own party - Marco Rubio. A senator from Florida, Marco Rubio supported a stable world order and human rights. He advocated for aid to be deployed as American soft power. As secretary of state and national security adviser, he now serves a president who campaigned on leaving the world to its own devices but who, in office, has upended global stability. Just this year - and remember, it is only March - the United States raided the capital of Venezuela and captured that country's leader and launched an ongoing attack on Iran. President Trump says that Cuba, where Rubio has family roots, could be next.

Dexter Filkins profiled Marco Rubio for The New Yorker, and he joins us now. Thanks so much for being with us.

DEXTER FILKINS: Thank you for having me.

SIMON: Ten years ago, Donald Trump and Marco Rubio were antagonists on the debate stage. How did Marco Rubio become his secretary of state?

FILKINS: Well, you know, Trump has a history of forgiving people who've insulted him. And even during the campaign in 2016, when they went behind the stage, they chatted a lot, and they became kind of friends. And so in that way, I think they both realized that politics is a game, and a lot of it is performance. And they kind of set that aside when the cameras are off.

SIMON: And what kind of U.S. senator was he? He arrived just as the Tea Party was gaining power, criticized President Obama. But then, of course, he worked towards things like immigration reform.

FILKINS: He did. I mean, he has an interesting past, political past. It's actually - it's difficult to track because he moves around so much. Rubio - if you look at the course of his career, he's said different things on different occasions, and it's basically whatever suits the occasion. But...

SIMON: I mean...

FILKINS: And I think...

SIMON: I should note that's the most common criticism you hear of politicians in both parties.

FILKINS: Well, I think Rubio has a special - yeah, he's in a special category on that front. But as a U.S. senator, Marco Rubio relentlessly advocated for a very active role for America abroad as the leader of the free world, as a donor of foreign aid, as a country that was willing to intervene, sometimes militarily if necessary. And so when he paired with Trump, the curiosity was - is Rubio going to have to lose all that? Because President Trump campaigned on America First, getting America out of all these stupid alliances that we're in and not starting any wars. What's happened, of course, is entirely the opposite.

SIMON: What brought Donald Trump over to Marco Rubio's way of thinking? I - forgive me for putting it this way. Was he played?

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